Old Business:
[Editor’s note: Many important items are still being ignored. Details are found on our page entitled “Agenda Items.”]
NEW ENTRIES ON THE LIST:
[none at this time.]
1. 2022 Residents Survey – Harvey Ginsberg
[Editor’s note: Harvey said that in Part 6, the originally bundled questions were separated into three questions.]
Sue: Point of Information. Harvey: can I finish? Sue: No. Roberts Rules allow a point of information to… [take precedence]. When was it decided and who was it that decided to present these three questions when there were other options offered? This needs to be discussed at an open board meeting. You can’t predetermine these questions. How you phrase questions can affect the responses.
Jeff: I met with different people [Board members], two at a time, and we went through these questions… Sue and Linda, Harvey and Richard, and I met with Bob. The consensus between all of them came back to this… at least four of us felt it was the best way to ask the first question [75% to 66 2/3%] and then go on to the other questions, which all should stand alone…
[Editor’s note: once again, Jeff did a behind-the-scenes de facto Board meeting just like he did with the issue of the Secretary and got an agreement among four Board members in advance of the Board meeting, which effectively cancelled out the other Board members.
By doing so, he not only minimized the voice of one or two other Board members, who might otherwise have been able to sway their colleagues with their presentations at an open Board meeting, which would have also benefited the residents, but he also did not permit the discussion of the alternative survey questions because at that point, it was a done deal.
This was an extremely important matter that should have been done at an open Board meeting because then it would have given the residents an opportunity, at the second residents’ input session, to voice their concerns, after which the Board could have revisited the matter.
This has already been shown to happen and in fact it happened later in this very Board meeting on the issue of future Board meetings in the ballroom utilizing the Owl technology with the Zoom or to stay with the Zoom only. The residents spoke, including some resident experts on the matter, and the Board members revisited the issue during the Round Table Discussion and reversed themselves.
This is how it should work. It could not work this way about the survey because of Jeff’s pre-Board meeting actions. This was another example of an abuse of power.]
Sue: no, not the content, I’m asking, how could you present something without having an open meeting; that’s what transparency is about. Harvey: everybody was consulted; four people agreed. Sue: Point of Order: that is illegal; you cannot agree to anything…without consideration to the other options including Long-Term Planning…
Richard: aren’t we discussing it now? I don’t understand what the problem is. Harvey: we’re getting out of control here… this is how we decided… it’s harder to spend money without a community vote… easier to pass by decreasing the threshold from 75 to 66 2/3. Motion to accept page 7 of the survey; we already approved the rest. Richard: Second.
Sue: you have to vote. I thought you were going to show a screenshot…so the residents could follow it…also, for the record, in the Minutes, submit the Long-Range Planning questions pertaining to the vote; theirs are really the best… review the Minutes, so that [everyone] can see the three different versions…
[Editor’s note: the discussion continued. Sue moved to amend the survey to include the percentages for question #3 on the amenities, and to remove the phrase “regardless of cost” as it presently stated. Linda seconded; that amendment lost 2-4 (girls voted yes, boys voted no).
Then Jeff called the original question, all in favor of Harvey’s proposal, and the vote was 4-2 (guys voted yes, gals voted no), so that passed.]
Harvey: accept the survey as completed and publish it. Linda: I have a problem with question #3. I can’t support something that says, “regardless of cost” – it makes people think they don’t want this … it’s not a fair question… take out “regardless of cost.”
Richard: we already voted… it’s a survey …there’s a comment section. Harvey: I can very easily get rid of it. Richard: we already voted… Bob: you didn’t vote to close the survey. Harvey: motion [to close the survey]. Richard: Second.
Sue: question on how the mailbox questions are phrased, and how the pickleball questions are phrased… skewered… how you phrase can determine how people respond… need to be revised… slanted, skewered… Jeff: it was voted on at the last meeting. It’s over.
Harvey: questions are not changed except for approximation of costs; your point is moot. I call the question [on the motion to close the survey] …Bob? Bob: I’m writing. Jeff: 4-1-1. [Sue opposed; Linda abstained.]
2. Increasing ballroom capacity – Harvey Ginsberg
[Editor’s note: Harvey noted that Covid cases are spiking; there is no motion, it’s just for informational purposes, and they will re-evaluate in January, so nothing changes for now.]
3. Approve the 10 remaining Halo units in the Clubhouse - Jeff
[Editor’s note: this was an add-on to the agenda.]
Jeff: motion to go forward with the ten new Halo units in the remainder of the clubhouse, $9600. Second: Harvey. All in favor? Unanimous.
[Editor’s note: these are critical to get up in the clubhouse as soon as possible as they are air purifiers that are supposed to kill 99.9% of all viruses, including Covid, according to the manufacturer’s commissioned report, which we reported on the first time this matter came up over the summer.
It is imperative that regardless of whether or not the air conditioning is on in the clubhouse that the fans must be on at all times. The system does not work without the fans circulating the air. We have one in our home which we got back in April and the A/C fan is always on, 24/7, otherwise there is no purification going on.]
New Business:
1. Resumption of Board meetings in the ballroom – Harvey Ginsberg
[Editor’s note: this was voted on initially to have the Board meetings in the ballroom with the Owl technology (with its moving eyes) and the Zoom as well, via unanimous vote, but it was rescinded in the Round Table Discussion after hearing from some residents including Mike Blackman, the Chair of the C.I.T. Committee.
As for the reference in the synopsis title panel, The Owl and the Pussycat was a 1970 romantic comedy written by Buck Henry and starring Barbra Streisand and George Segal.]
[Editor’s further note: Deborah then raised an issue, and another motion was heard as follows:]
Deborah: a motion to hold the town hall should have been with the survey; it was Linda’s motion.
Linda: Motion for a town hall meeting to educate the community about the survey… power point presentations … to be held January 5th… Harvey: notice of the sessions 48 hours in advance… Second. Sue: it’s an official Board meeting. Harvey: informal meeting but to avoid the appearance of impropriety… post it… Sue: then it’s an official Board meeting if we’re all present. Linda: if it is an official Board meeting then Minutes have to be taken.
Jeff: informational meeting only. Richard: not necessary for every Board member to be there. Jeff: you’re right, Richard. Harvey: Linda, myself, and Jeff being there… power point presentation… Jeff: Linda and I will be explaining the questions. All in favor? 5-1 [Sue opposed.] Sue: I will oppose because informational meetings do not exist in law.
[Editor’s note: again, Sue is correct. There is no carve out or exception for so-called “informational” meetings.
If there are four Board members there, for example, if Sue shows up in addition to Harvey’s statement that he, Linda, and Jeff will be there, that makes a quorum, HOA business is definitely being discussed, it’s a Board meeting, and therefore the Secretary must be there and take Minutes. Bob, don’t make other plans.
And besides, don’t you all want to hear what the residents have to say?]
2. Spa pump replacement $2400 - Jeffrey Green
[Editor’s note: Jeff reported that the pump died, it was an emergency, it was leaking, and became a health department issue. They did an emergency repair. Jeff moved to approve it, Linda seconded it, and it passed unanimously.]
3. Phantasma Spraying $14,930 - Linda Arbeit
[Editor’s note: Linda noted that this is an insect called “scale,” and we have to be proactive. She made the motion, Bob seconded it. Barry Gordon, co-chair of the Landscaping Committee, stated it kills palm trees and that it has always been an extra expense, not included on the PBB contract. The motion passed unanimously.
Sue questioned as to why it was not part of the PBB contract since it is an insect. Linda said it is an additional treatment and Richard said it is not included in the contract.
We reviewed the contract and addenda. There is “turf spraying” included for insects. “Ornamental and ground cover spraying” of insects and plant destroying pests not found on the University of Florida “Exotic Pest List” is also included. None of that appears to include trees. Then on page 7, “scale” is specifically excluded, as is Ficus White Fly and a whole host of other pests. So, this specific insect is specifically excluded from the contract.]
Sue: how much is left in landscaping? Richard: no negative balance in landscaping… this is zero based budgeting… we don’t give landscaping money; they have to spend money for a particular purpose… they’re budgeted for it, not over budget…
Sue: I need a dollar amount; if you could respond to the question I asked, it would be appreciated. How much is left in the landscaping budget as of today? Richard: …I don’t have a guess… I’ll give you the number later… landscaping will not exceed the budget, I guarantee you…
Barry Gordon: [Landscaping Co-Chair] …came up 1 ½ or two years ago, another new disease, palm trees, others …if unchecked, the palm tree will die eventually… it’s never been on the contract, always an extra… Harvey: I’d like to call the question. Jeff: all in favor? 6-0, unanimous.
4 Maintenance contract with company to handle computer maintenance in the Clubhouse – Jeff
[Editor’s note: this was an add-on to the agenda. The contract is with Computer Network Solutions known as ComNet USA. It’s $470/quarter, and they provide services for all computers, seven work-stations, three printers, and four routers. Jeff moved to accept the maintenance contract, Linda seconded, and it passed unanimously.]
Second Residents’ Input Session:
1. Arnie Green: why can’t we get the survey before the town hall meeting? Jeff: it’s just a survey; we don’t want people filling it out before. [Editor’s note: that’s nonsensical. They want to see it, that’s all. It’s posted right now on the FirstService resident’s portal.] Arnie: I’d like to digest it before, then ask questions at the meeting. It’s like getting shot in the dark.
Linda: the power point presentation is on the screen…all we’re doing is clarifying it… Arnie: why can’t I digest it at home?... Jeff: if you have questions, call a Board member and we’ll answer it.
[Editor’s note: he wants to read it, think about it, make notes, and then have the town hall where he can ask questions for the benefit of himself and all residents, Jeff. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. And maybe he would then come up with a suggestion that might prompt the Board to reconsider and amend the questionnaire.]
Sue: …if possible, give the residents the questions before… you don’t want to waste a lot of time… I prefer that; it reduces the number of questions and time spent… Harvey: hard copy version… we can send that out in an email. Deborah: just post it on the website… Harvey: not a problem…
Arnie: one of the Board members made a remark that nothing gets passed at 75% and I happen to disagree; I think the ballroom got over 90% when we voted for the ballroom and so when you say that nothing gets passed at 75% to try and tell us something, which is completely wrong in my opinion, ok? I’ll let it go at that right now.
2. Roberta Alter: [Editor’s note: this resident wanted clarity on the survey; Jeff noted this has nothing to do with maintenance and repair, and only concerns new construction. This resident also was concerned about the ballroom capacity and was not happy about what it was doing to the Entertainment Committee.]
3. Judie Delman: [Editor’s note: Judie’s concern is exposing elderly people to the virus by opening the clubhouse more; she also wanted to know about the FirstService Residential contract and how much we pay them.
Richard stated they get $50,000 per year for finance, accounting, monthly reports, etc., not including payroll. Payroll, taxes, health insurance totals $377,000 for 2022 not including the $50,000. Richard said it is included in your maintenance fee.]
4. Vicki Roberts: [Editor’s note: Your Editor stated that the FirstService contract is available to anyone; I also stated that the survey questions are available on the FirstService resident’s portal. I stated all Board packets are uploaded to that portal and usually available within 24 to 48 hours after every Board meeting. I indicated it helps me if I need clarification for my synopses and that’s a service to and for the residents.
Deborah credited Susan Hersh and her staff with getting them posted so expeditiously. Harvey noted there is an easy link to it on the HOA website.]
5. Eileen Olitsky: … meeting in the clubhouse… main concern is the residents… January 5th is disturbing to me… people are traveling over the holidays… the Owl is very difficult to listen to… Zoom is very convenient, allows us to really focus on the Board members … reconsider.
[Editor’s note: we agree with every single point Eileen made.]
6. Lillian Astrachan: Zoom meeting…I agree with Eileen… way more convenient, easier… summer people… not on campus can participate… Jeff: we will consider it.
7. Mike Blackman: …I’m on the road… I’m disturbed it passed. Both the Zoom and the Owl technology in your January meeting – I had a conversation with Richard Greene, other people, Jeff Green [the other one, the alleged election sign-kicker and Covid Cavorter, not the Board member] …not comfortable with that working well… as Chair of the CIT Committee I sent that back to you; not one of you came back to me… I think you’re going in the wrong direction… Arnie also agrees… it was unanimous.
Richard: Jeff Green [the other one, the alleged election sign-kicker and Covid Cavorter, not the Board member] for the pickleball meeting said it was very effective…
[Editor’s note: your Editor was on the Zoom for the pickleball meeting; the visual was ok; audio, not so much; it was difficult sometimes depending on where the person speaking was sitting or standing and where he or she was facing. When the individuals were facing the audience, it was harder to hear them on the Zoom.
Also, are you going to have a monitor at the resident input podium? How would that work? And a monitor for each Board member? It’s cumbersome.]
Sue: is it possible, comments just made, especially by the experts… defer, and have the Zoom in January. Reconsider and revote… unanimous consent, I hate, and second, it’s not a public meeting.
[Editor’s note: there is no unanimous consent allowed; see our dedicated page called Unanimous Consent under our HOA Issues page for the discussion and statutory authority for our report.]
Sue: motion to defer, stay on Zoom for the January 5th meeting and see how the statistics go considering the technological issues involved. Linda: Second.
Jeff: in house meeting for the survey, should include that. Sue: to have two additional meetings would be overload; combine it. Harvey: you have to make a motion to defer going back to in-person meetings. Jeff: not set a date to start in the ballroom… Harvey: motion to rescind… Sue: that was my motion. Bob: I agree with Sue. Should we do this in Round Table Discussion? Sue: I stand corrected.
8. Anita Goodman: [Editor’s note: this resident wanted to know if the payment to FirstService included all employees; Richard stated if we needed a new employee we would be over budget and if we lose one, we would be under budget.
The resident then asked if instead of hiring there could be volunteers from the community and the answer was no; Deborah stated we lost Cicely who was full time and hired Darlene who is part time; Richard stated that for January we will be below budget.]
9. Roberta Alter: is the informational meeting on Zoom also? Jeff: we just said, we’ll make the motion to take that off as well. Roberta: why don’t you do that outside? Harvey: you can’t present the power point outside. It’s best that we have one Zoom meeting. Roberta: other communities, not as many employees, Jeff, my phone call with you yesterday.
10. Howie Feuer: I agree with Zoom… Gate Key, results how it’s working, problems, and have all the guards been trained… we’ve had some problems with it… have you addressed some of the problems… Deborah: gate down this morning; other than that, the system is working fine. The transponder and readers issue, working on. The guards, with each new guard, they have to learn; there’s a learning curve.
Howie: people on our list, given a different tie… one got a thirty-day pass, one had to wait a half hour before they could get in… Harvey: document it and give it to the office… training for the residents, CIT Committee… reaching out to people… more educational sessions…
11. Eileen Olitsky: I’ve had some problems with Gate Key… getting notices of people coming in, and they’re not here… three times already… Deborah: let us know the time, date, who it is… the person’s name… going forward…
Round Table Discussion: